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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 662

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for the 13th of june 2021

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richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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i had an interesting week folks some of

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you would have noticed that

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at the drop of a hat on a whim i jumped

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on a train

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and a couple of hours later i found

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myself in the little town of

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kitumba up in the blue mountains west of

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sydney where the snow

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was it was snowing

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now some of my very early memories were

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of being in lots of snow

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in the wilds of canada so i quite liked

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the snow so

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i enjoyed that hour or so i spent

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wandering around kitumba

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in the snow coming up at the top of the

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show the raw skeptic report with heidi

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robertson

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and heidi tumbled stumbled rumbled

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a hairdresser in a yoga studio not only

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promoting anti-vaccination views in her

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local area but

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asking people point blank if they've had

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covert 19 vaccination

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not to enter their premises it doesn't

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get much more bizarre than that

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an important story coming up at the top

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of the show the raw skeptic report with

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heidi robertson

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following that it's the book of tim with

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tim mendom

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as tim reads selected items from the

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skeptic magazine oh by the way

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by the way my latest issue of the

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skeptic magazine just arrived in my

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inbox last night and it includes the

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story by heidi robertson so

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that story is going far and wide but yes

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the book of tim

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and this week tim talks about phantoms

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amongst other things

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then to round off the show we dive into

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trove

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archives once more to look for

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references

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as reported here in australia over the

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decades to

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the occult a big shout out to those

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people who

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in the last week have had their covert

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19

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vaccination speaking about our first

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report and

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i'm sure you will be devastated to learn

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you're not welcome in a certain

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hairdresser in mullenbimby or a yoga

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studio

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hmm and if you've had a few ill effects

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from the vaccine

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just remember that that means your body

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is taking action

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and it's working as it should but i'm

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thinking of you

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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more announcements from me

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including some upcoming talks but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs

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and make myself a nice warm bowl of

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eltham stew

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while i do that i hope you enjoy the

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it's the raw skeptic report with heidi

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robinson

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hello heidi robertson here from the

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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this morning it was brought to my

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attention in a particular

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facebook group that signs are going up

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in mullan bimby

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shop fronts you might recall that

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mullenbimby is

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a short drive down the road from me here

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has some of the lowest vaccination rates

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in the country so these signs apparently

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stated that the shop owners did not want

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i was a little intrigued by this i had

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in the media and on the skeptic's own

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podcast

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recently about a hairdresser up on the

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which incidentally is about an hour and

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of here where i live that hairdresser

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had requested the same thing of her

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customers

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so i thought i'd head down to mulan

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bimbi this morning to see for myself

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whether or not this was true

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and what exactly the signs say

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but first i think i'm going to call

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new south wales health to see if there

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is any legislation

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covering anti-covert 19 vaccination

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signage

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so i did call around about the

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legislation and more on that in a moment

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but i'm just i've just seen the signs

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for myself

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i took some pictures and i

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um parked around the corner

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streets here in mullenbimby

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where i was told that the hairdresser

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was that was displaying this sign i

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walked across the street to that

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hairdresser in question and sure enough

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there it was the sign quite prominently

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the hairdresser in question

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peering out at me and i wondered is she

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going to come out

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and ask me what i'm doing especially

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when i got my phone out to take

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the photos i was a little bit nervous

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but i was fully prepared to talk with

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about it and just sort of politely ask

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her what

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what was going on with the sign but

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anyway she didn't come out and i didn't

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the same sign on the shop next door

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with a red love heart right at the top

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the text reads as follows we believe

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in health freedom and creating a safe

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in theirs until there have been more

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we have decided to er on the side of

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everyone who uses this business

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the covert 19 vaccine we ask

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you to not and not as in capitals

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enter for two weeks or longer until any

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this decision is based on new

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immunology and first-hand accounts

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suggesting possible serious reactions

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be some kind of regulation to make sure

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that everyone's abiding by the same

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tracing purposes and then you have

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people who want to be vaccinated to help

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protect themselves and their communities

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there are a lot of yoga centers

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but if this becomes a trend and other

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businesses start

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putting up similar signage what what can

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the government do what can public health

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and clearly these businesses can't know

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i think it appears to be more of a uh

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public statement of how they feel about

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the vaccination rollout than anything

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something called

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shedding where the belief is that you

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or shed the disease that you're

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right after getting the vaccine now

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there's no live virus in australia's

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and so it's impossible to shed

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a virus that's not actually present

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in the vaccine anyway

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before i went down to mullen bimby i

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made a few phone calls about

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any legislation surrounding this uh

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you know even if there is any at all

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first i rang a government department uh

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government department covert 19 hotline

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and i got put through to somebody who i

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don't think was a trained health

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professional i think they were just

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and asked you know what is the health

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department's policy on such

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signage is there a policy she actually

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we can't change people's minds they

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might have just different opinions to

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yours and actually they probably have a

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good point because you can get sick

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after the covert vaccine

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and i mean i was horrified because

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someone representing new south wales

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health

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that they could casually sort of say to

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me over the phone

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with a complete misunderstanding of how

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vaccines work

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you know something like that i mean yes

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you may feel unwell after a covert

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vaccine but that is your body

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mounting an immune response to something

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it hasn't encountered before

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it can make you feel a bit crappy for a

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short period of time

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and side note to that i've had my first

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fisa vaccine i was

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lucky to not get any side effects except

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for a bit of a sore arm

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but some people do get a bit sick for a

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few hours and if you get the chills in a

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temperature

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after the covert 19 vaccination that's

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just normal for

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many people and you're not contagious

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because of the side effects of the

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vaccine

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they do suggest

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that if you have symptoms for up to i

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think it's more than 72 hours after the

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vaccine that you should probably go and

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get covert tested

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because you could have got infected

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with covert around the same time that

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you were vaccinated or between

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doses but i don't think

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that the people putting these signs up

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were referring to about that scenario

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and i don't think that that's what the

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person on the end of the covet hotline

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was talking about either

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so then i rang

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the national covert hotline as opposed

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to the state one that i had just called

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the national people were a little

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incredulous

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that these signs were going up in fact

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they asked me to repeat myself a couple

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of times

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they initially thought i was talking

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about businesses

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refusing entry for anti-vaxxers

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anyway they were not aware of any

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legislation that would cover this kind

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of thing

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the anti-discrimination laws do

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cover things like you know you can't

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discriminate

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against someone on the basis of sex race

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gender age or disability

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but they don't seem to dig any deeper

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than that

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according to the national covert hotline

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but she referred me then to legal aid

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which is a free legal service here

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so i rang them and they couldn't help me

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either

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they referred me to the human rights

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commission

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who also couldn't help me and didn't

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really seem to know what the hell i was

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talking about and at this point i wasn't

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even sure i knew what i was talking

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about to be honest

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anyway they referred me to a small

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business commissioner for covert matters

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they couldn't help me either no one

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seemed to be aware of any legislation

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covering the issue of anti-vaccination

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signs

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on small business premises refusing

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uh entry to customers who have been

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vaccinated against covert 19.

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so i thought this might be the case that

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i'd run into a bit of a dead end

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um i was just curious as to where

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it would all lead me it was probably a

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waste of a few hours this morning but

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uh there you have it so i think freedom

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of speech is

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all well and good in fact i'm a huge

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supporter of freedom of speech as i'm

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sure most of us are but not when it's

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based on

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misinformation that goes against

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the public health efforts to protect the

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vulnerable people in our community and

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try and get

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us out of this pandemic

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uh anywho it will be interesting to see

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if more of these signs pop

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up and if so what if anything

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can and will be done about it in the

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meantime

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that's all from me it's been heidi

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robertson

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with the northern rivers vaccination

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supporters

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live reporting from the car in

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mullenbimby

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see you next time

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[Music]

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now following on from heidi's report we

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have a report here in

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the guardian at theguardian.com

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by melissa davey published on the 8th of

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june 2021

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vaccines won't give you covert health

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officials

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battle anti-vaccination message in

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northern rivers

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medical professionals living in the

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byron bay region

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are angry and frustrated after a

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business

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asked vaccinated customers not to enter

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health officials in new south wales have

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had to

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reiterate advice over covert 19

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after a number of businesses in byron

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shire

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were witnessed asking vaccinated

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customers not to enter their premises

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under the misapprehension they could

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shed the virus

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the new south wales department of health

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has stressed

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that it is impossible for people to

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develop shed

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or spread the virus through receiving a

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vaccine

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the advice comes after some businesses

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in the small town of mullenbimby

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placed signs in their windows that read

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if you have had the covert 19 vaccine we

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ask that

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you not enter for two weeks or longer

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until

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any symptoms subside one of the signs

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falsely states that the spread of the

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virus following vaccination was emerging

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from

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quote first-hand accounts end quote

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and that vaccinated people were quote

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inadvertently harming

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end quote the health of others the town

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is located in the northern rivers region

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of new south wales

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and is about 15 kilometers in land from

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byron bay

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it is a region with a high level of

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vaccine

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hesitancy and refusal with childhood

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vaccination rates

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among the lowest in australia a former

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paramedic who runs a world

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health organization wh

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approved vaccination information site

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heidi robertson

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said she was appalled to see the signs

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as she walked down

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stewart street on monday she and health

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professionals living in the region

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including intensive care specialist dr

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rachel heap

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have been working hard for several years

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to educate the community

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about vaccination we want to change the

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narrative around the region

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because we've got such a shocking rate

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of vaccination uptake

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and we are known for that in mullenbimby

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our northern rivers vaccination

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supporters website is not funded

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and who has fact checked our website

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so we're considered to be a reliable

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source of vaccine safety information

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our approach is non-confrontational so

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we don't get up in people's faces and

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say

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you should be vaccinating we instead

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tell people

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that if they have questions and are

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hesitant they can come to us and get

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answers from

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reputable sources so when i saw the

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signs

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i took photos of them but did not go in

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and confront anyone

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but if the owners were to come out and

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talk to me

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i would have just asked them why they

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are more afraid of a vaccinated person

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than a person that hasn't been protected

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against this disease

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guardian australia has contacted the

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businesses displaying the signs

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but none responded to requests for

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comment another sign seen by guardian

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australia falsely claims

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quote shedding or transferring of the

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virus

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end quote to others can occur following

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vaccination

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robinson rang the services new south

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wales covered 19 information line

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to report the signs and said she was

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concerned by the

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quote dismissive end quote response

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from the person she spoke with i asked

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if there was any policy or legislation

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regarding businesses refusing entry to

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vaccinated people

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especially since there is so much policy

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and

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procedure around covert business safety

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and plans

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and qr check-ins robertson said

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the services new south wales person

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actually told me

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the business has got a point because you

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can get sick

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after covert vaccination i told her

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side effects of vaccines aren't

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contagious and was pretty horrified that

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someone representing the helpline

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would say that i got quite cranky

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and have since made a formal complaint

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these businesses are clearly

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buying into the myth that you can shed

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fragments of the virus

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after vaccination and spread it that way

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which is impossible since none of the

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vaccines

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contain any live virus a new south wales

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health spokeswoman confirmed

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you cannot get covert 19 from a covert

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19 vaccine

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to get covert 19 you must be exposed to

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a live covert 19 virus

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the spokeswoman said no covert 19

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vaccine currently approved for use in

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the world contains a live coronavirus

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side effects following covert 19

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vaccinations such as tiredness headache

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muscle aches and fever

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are common and expected and are an

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indication that the immune system is

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responding to the vaccine

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these symptoms are not an indicator that

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you have an infection caused by the

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vaccine

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the symptoms are also not contagious new

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south wales health urges everyone

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who can be vaccinated to do so

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vaccination is a vital step in

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protecting you

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your family and the community the

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spokeswoman said

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robinson said businesses with such views

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could not simply be ignored

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given the byron shire is a popular

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tourist attraction

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and once borders reopen those who remain

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unvaccinated in the town

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would be at high risk we are right next

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to byron bay

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and that is a massive tourist

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destination she said

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people come here from all over the world

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so when our borders open up again

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we can not have all this misinformation

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spread by our local businesses

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who refuse to be vaccinated and don't

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want to accept people who have been

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vaccinated

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because what is going to happen is

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covered is going to rip through our

579
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:52,559
community

580
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,000
like wildfire and that story is again

581
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,679
thanks to the guardian at guardian.com

582
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:02,799
and i will link to that specific page in

583
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,669
hi this is heidi robertson from the

584
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northern rivers vaccination supporters

585
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,880
we are a group of concerned citizens

586
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dedicated to promoting good science and

587
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,039
common sense in our region

588
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:28,000
the far north coast of new south wales

589
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this area

590
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famous for its natural beauty and

591
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relaxed lifestyle

592
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,039
also has the lowest rates of vaccination

593
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,799
in australia

594
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we are out to change that by challenging

595
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the myths and misinformation

596
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:43,600
and by providing good evidence-based

597
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:44,400
information

598
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,360
to the community we'd love for you no

599
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matter where you are in the world

600
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to join our fight please visit our

601
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webpage

602
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,960
at www.nrvs.info

603
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we also have a link there to our

604
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,240
facebook page

605
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:05,760
tweet us at nrvax supporters

606
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,960
that's vax and check us out on wikipedia

607
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,320
by searching for

608
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:13,440
northern rivers vaccination supporters

609
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thank you

610
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[Music]

611
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,670
and now a reading from the book of tim

612
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[Music]

613
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:32,520
with tim mendem

614
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,510
hi my name is tim mendel and i'm the

615
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:44,080
editor of australian skeptics magazine

616
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:47,200
the skeptic and today i'm reading from

617
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:50,559
the skeptic december 2014

618
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,760
which is volume 34 number four which you

619
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:54,559
can download

620
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,279
for free from our website skeptics.com

621
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,440
today i'm reading from the column what

622
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goes around

623
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,720
which is based on the premise that you

624
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,720
can start with any particular story or

625
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,520
anecdote

626
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,640
and work your way around through

627
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:10,159
connections back to where you started

628
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,880
from

629
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,039
giving you the almost inevitable

630
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,799
realization that all knowledge is

631
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connected

632
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:18,159
and connectable and this one is looking

633
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:19,279
at roots

634
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:23,220
alchemists methodics and phantoms

635
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,269
let's start off with homunculus which is

636
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,200
latin for little man

637
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:33,279
that's a term used generally in various

638
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,400
fields of study

639
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,400
to refer to any representation of a

640
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,159
small human being

641
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,960
popularized in 16th century alchemy and

642
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,640
19th century fiction

643
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,320
it has historically referred to the

644
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:46,320
creation of a miniature fully formed

645
00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:47,360
human

646
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,640
the concept has roots in

647
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,120
pre-formationism

648
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,200
which means that eggs or sperm contain a

649
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,440
complete pre-formed individual

650
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,320
called animalcules which only need

651
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,960
enlarging into a fully formed being

652
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,799
as well as earlier folklore and alchemic

653
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,799
traditions the homunculus has also been

654
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,159
compared to the golem

655
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,960
of jewish folklore the concept of the

656
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,880
homunculus may have been influenced by

657
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,640
earlier folk traditions concerning

658
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:15,440
the mandragara common name is mandrake

659
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,480
which you would have seen in harry

660
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,760
potter

661
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,840
because mandrake contains deliriant

662
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,880
hallucinogenic

663
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,520
propane alkaloids and its roots

664
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,640
sometimes contain

665
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,279
bifurcations causing them to resemble

666
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,559
human figures

667
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,480
these roots have long been used in magic

668
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:32,080
rituals and contemporary pagan

669
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:32,799
traditions

670
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,840
such as wicker and odonism

671
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,760
not to mention harry potter the only

672
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,360
part of the mandarin

673
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:42,559
that is not poisonous is the fruit

674
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:45,760
in libra the imaginables written by

675
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,110
1493-1541

676
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:54,320
but his real name was philippus aurelius

677
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,559
theophrastus bombastis from hohenheim

678
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,159
he denied that roots shaped like men

679
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,240
grow naturally attacking dishonest

680
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,240
people who carved roots to look like men

681
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,440
and sell them

682
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,360
he clarified that the homunculus's

683
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,120
origins are in sperm

684
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,799
and that it is falsely confused with

685
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,480
ideas from necromancy

686
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,600
and natural philosophy paracelsus was a

687
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,440
swiss german relations physician

688
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,679
botanist alchemist astrologer and

689
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,200
general occultist

690
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:24,799
who founded the discipline of toxicology

691
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:28,240
paracelsus meaning next in his status as

692
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:28,880
physician

693
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:31,679
to celsus referring to the first century

694
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:32,320
roman

695
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,000
encyclopedias orlist cornelius celsius

696
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,200
known for his tract on medicine orlis

697
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:41,039
cornelius celsus who was born

698
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,360
in about 25 bce then died in about 50 ce

699
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:47,360
was known for his medical work de

700
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,399
medicina

701
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,760
which is believed to be the only

702
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,520
surviving section of a much larger

703
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,679
encyclopedia

704
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:56,159
demedicina is a primary source on diet

705
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,440
pharmacy surgery

706
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,520
and related fields and it is one of the

707
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:01,200
best sources concerning medical

708
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,320
knowledge

709
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,799
in the roman world nothing is known

710
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,559
about the life of celsius though some

711
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,840
incidental expressions

712
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,240
in day medicine suggest that he lived

713
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,919
under the reigns of augustus and

714
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,360
tiberius

715
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,279
which is confirmed by his reference to

716
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,399
the misson

717
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,960
as being recently in his old age though

718
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,440
the overlap is debatable

719
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,320
the misson of laodicea who lived from

720
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,799
123 to 43 bce

721
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,399
was one of the most eminent physicians

722
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,480
of his time although celsius

723
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:32,559
disagreed with that assessment he was a

724
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,919
pupil of escaliatis of bithynia

725
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,520
though he differed from his teacher on

726
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,600
several points in his old age

727
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,279
and became the founder of a new sect

728
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,200
called the methodic school

729
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,600
which long exercised an extensive

730
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,399
influence on medical science

731
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,240
he was perhaps the first physician who

732
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,840
made use of leeches

733
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:54,320
he prescribed darkness and restraint by

734
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,120
chains

735
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:56,960
and deprivation of food and drink for

736
00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:59,840
mental patients and the deluded

737
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,320
juvenile the roman writer satirized him

738
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:03,840
and suggested that he killed more

739
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,480
patients

740
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,720
than he cured speaking of being deluded

741
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,399
delusion is the concept that people

742
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,480
strongly believe something to be true

743
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,399
in the face of evidence to the country

744
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,000
giving rise to false beliefs

745
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,399
one such belief is the phantom limb

746
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:17,760
where a person believes that they can

747
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,159
still

748
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,320
feel a limb long after it has been

749
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:21,679
amputated

750
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,960
professor villanue ramachandran director

751
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,080
of the center for brain

752
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,520
and cognition at the university of

753
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,919
california refers to cases where it is

754
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,880
not uncommon

755
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,399
for amputees to believe that their

756
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,799
phantom limb waves pick things up and

757
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,919
feels pain

758
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,360
ramachandran explains that these

759
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,760
sensations are a result of an exact

760
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:42,159
representational map of the body telling

761
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:42,880
the brain

762
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:46,480
how the body is connected this is known

763
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:53,990
and that brings us back to our starting

764
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,360
point homunculus the little man

765
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,559
that's from the skeptic december

766
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,919
2014 volume 34 number four what goes

767
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,760
around and as i said you can download

768
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:07,520
that issue for free

769
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,760
on our website skeptics.com

770
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,000
hello this is maynard did you know that

771
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:27,600
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

772
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:28,240
youtube

773
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,230
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

774
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,600
with michelle bickersma

775
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:41,440
and funny sketches with richard saunders

776
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:46,950
just click on the youtube links on the

777
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,750
[Music]

778
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:09,519
now it's time to peer into the digital

779
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,279
archives at trove at trove.nla.gov.eu

780
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,120
the online resource for the whole world

781
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,559
to enjoy from australia

782
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,880
digitize newspapers and magazines and so

783
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:19,840
on

784
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,760
matters of interest to skeptics terms

785
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:26,960
and

786
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,159
this week

787
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,320
we'll be looking at references in

788
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:33,360
history

789
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:35,540
to the occult

790
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:40,960
[Music]

791
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:45,039
and a quick dictionary search online

792
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,799
returns occult noun mystical

793
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,679
supernatural or magical powers practices

794
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,279
or phenomena

795
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:56,799
quote a secret society to study alchemy

796
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,240
and the occult end quote

797
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,519
adjective 1. involving or relating to

798
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,600
mystical supernatural or magic powers

799
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,760
practices or phenomena

800
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,799
quote an occult ceremony end quote

801
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:14,080
and there are other meanings there of

802
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,320
the word but i think you get the idea

803
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:20,399
wikipedia says occult knowledge of the

804
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:21,440
hidden

805
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,880
or the paranormal the occult in

806
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,960
the broader sense is a category of

807
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,000
supernatural beliefs

808
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,240
and practices which generally fall

809
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,919
outside the scope of religion and

810
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,840
science

811
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,840
encompassing such phenomena involving

812
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:38,399
otherworldly agency

813
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:42,399
as mysticism spirituality and magic

814
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,559
it can also refer to supernatural ideas

815
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,120
like extra sensory perception and

816
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,399
parapsychology

817
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:52,720
the term occult sciences was used in the

818
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,000
16th century to refer to astrology

819
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,960
alchemy and natural magic which today

820
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,760
are considered

821
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,240
pseudosciences and of course there is a

822
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:04,500
lot more information on that wiki page

823
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:10,470
so let's see what we can find in the

824
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:11,279
pages

825
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,039
at trove.nla.gov dot a u

826
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:18,080
and we'll start in the year 1944 from

827
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,279
the pages of

828
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,240
smith's weekly and we've delved into

829
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,080
smith's weekly in the past i'm

830
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:27,919
sure 8th of january 1944

831
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:30,470
occult forces

832
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:37,990
horses more than any other animals

833
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,039
are susceptible to the occult forces

834
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,559
at genoa victoria no horse will venture

835
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,080
near a spot where a man

836
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,880
named cameron was accidentally killed a

837
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,080
few years ago

838
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,799
and horses passing the spot will always

839
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,640
accelerate their speed

840
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:57,840
horses urged unwillingly to the place

841
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:01,200
invariably betray signs of terror

842
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,399
and endeavour to break away and then it

843
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,760
says in quotes

844
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:08,800
lucky sydney hmm

845
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,079
now we go back in time to 1891 in

846
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:15,280
the pages of the evening news which was

847
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,079
in sydney

848
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:19,440
on saturday the 19th of september occult

849
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,800
powers london september 18 it was

850
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:24,480
recently announced that colonel

851
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,440
desmond of the indian army had accepted

852
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,839
a challenge issued by stuart cumberland

853
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,879
the thought reader for 1 000

854
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,919
pounds to demonstrate the existence of

855
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,839
occult powers claimed by the

856
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,280
theosophists

857
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,919
colonel desmond now declares that the

858
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:43,599
mahatmas

859
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,599
forbid the contest wow

860
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,440
there's a reference to somebody wiggling

861
00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:51,200
out of

862
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:54,679
a test of their claims way back in

863
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,240
1891 how little has changed

864
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,599
and now we go forward in time to 1918

865
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,480
on the 7th of september the daily

866
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,160
telegraph in sydney

867
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:09,440
the occult a new convent or pervert

868
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,720
to spiritualism is sir arthur conan

869
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,920
doyle

870
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,960
who sets forth his adherence to the cult

871
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,680
in a book entitled quote the new

872
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,720
revelation

873
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:23,280
end quote he quotes the medium's mrs

874
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,000
piper

875
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,119
as uttering in a trance condition in

876
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:28,880
1899 the following

877
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,000
words before the clear revelation of

878
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,440
spirit communication

879
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,040
there will be a terrible war in

880
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,800
different parts of the world

881
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,359
the entire world must be purified and

882
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,480
cleansed before

883
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,119
mortal can see through his spiritual

884
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,440
vision his friends on this side

885
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,480
and it will take just this line of

886
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,880
action to bring about a state of

887
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,839
perfection

888
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:54,960
but what does this pronouncement prove

889
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,000
no more and no less than that mrs

890
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,800
piper even when she was in a trance

891
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:01,680
condition

892
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:05,280
could see just as lord roberts and mr lj

893
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,160
max

894
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,119
and many other matter of fact englishmen

895
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,960
were able to perceive

896
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,280
that a great war was surely coming one

897
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:15,119
did not require to be a medium to

898
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:15,920
foresee that

899
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,119
fact mrs piper's pronouncement proves

900
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,520
nothing more although sir arthur conan

901
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:23,599
doyle appears to suggest that

902
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:26,880
the going over to spiritualism of such

903
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,560
eminent men as oliver lodge and himself

904
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,440
amounts to a vindication of mrs piper's

905
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,400
prediction

906
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,680
and the world would embrace spiritualism

907
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,320
after the war post-war troubles would be

908
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,920
bad enough without that

909
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,839
siratha conan doyle gives an account of

910
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:46,480
the phases which he went through before

911
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:49,520
he accepted spiritualism as an

912
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:53,280
improvement on christianity christianity

913
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,280
he writes must change or must perish

914
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,280
people are alienated because they

915
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,280
frankly do not believe

916
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,280
the facts as presented to them to be

917
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,200
true their reason

918
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:08,400
and their sense of justice are equally

919
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:09,359
offended

920
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,640
one can see no justice in a vicarious

921
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,000
sacrifice

922
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,359
nor in the god who could be placed by

923
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,640
such means

924
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,960
this author protests seriously against

925
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,079
the doctrine

926
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,119
of the anointment of the redemption

927
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:28,240
as inconsistent with our knowledge

928
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,240
that man has not fallen but has evolved

929
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,359
from the man

930
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,000
like ape he argues that if the world

931
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,320
will only reject the doctrine

932
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,960
of the anointment and redemption and

933
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,119
embrace spiritualism instead

934
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:45,280
reason and faith would at last be

935
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,480
reconciled

936
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,720
a nightmare would be lifted from our

937
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,760
minds

938
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:52,240
and spiritual peace would prevail but

939
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:52,960
there are

940
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,000
many acute observers who affirm that

941
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,240
so far from christianity disappearing to

942
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,599
make way for

943
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,000
table wrapping there are plain

944
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,079
indications that after the war

945
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,960
there will be a great revival of the

946
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,920
christian religion

947
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,599
this author goes on to sketch very

948
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:12,320
vaguely a picture of the subsequent life

949
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:12,640
of

950
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,400
human beings in spirit land

951
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,839
from which place according to his belief

952
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,560
those who have passed over can for a

953
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,160
limited time

954
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:26,960
communicate with friends and relatives

955
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:27,359
on

956
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:33,200
alleged to have been made by spirits he

957
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,000
describes

958
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,920
the next life in these terms but life

959
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:40,400
has a close analogy to that of this

960
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,200
world

961
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:44,079
at its best it is preeminently a life of

962
00:38:47,230 --> 00:38:45,119
the mind as

963
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,240
this is a life of the body

964
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,119
preoccupations of food

965
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:52,400
money lust pain etc are of

966
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,839
the body and are gone music

967
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:58,160
the arts intellectual and spiritual

968
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,119
knowledge

969
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,839
and progress have increased the people

970
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:02,720
are clothed

971
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,400
as one would expect since there is no

972
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,359
reason why modesty should disappear with

973
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,880
our new forms

974
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,960
these new forms are the absolute

975
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,280
reproduction of the old ones

976
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,320
at their best the young growing up and

977
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,160
the old reverting until

978
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,960
all come to the normal people live in

979
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,359
communities as one would expect

980
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,800
if like attracts like and the male

981
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,680
spirit still finds his true mate

982
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,160
though there is no sexuality in the

983
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,280
grosser sense

984
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,800
and so no childbirth sherlock holmes

985
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:39,520
himself

986
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:42,640
might be quite puzzled to find a clue to

987
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,280
the

988
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,320
enigma of why an immortal spirit should

989
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:47,760
wear clothes

990
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:51,280
as a concession to modesty the necessity

991
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:54,839
for sex modesty when sex itself is

992
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,440
non-existent unless it is possible for

993
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,720
spiritualists

994
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,680
to think of concealing from view

995
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,720
something which is

996
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,040
not there but that is only one of the

997
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:07,200
minor difficulties that will confront

998
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,000
the earnest

999
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,880
seeker after truth in reading this book

1000
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,160
published by hodder

1001
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,200
and stalton our copy from cole's book

1002
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:17,280
arcade

1003
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:21,359
now from 1914

1004
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,000
11th of june mullam bimbi star

1005
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:28,319
the mullan bimby star according to this

1006
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,000
from 1906 to 1936

1007
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,280
and of course in 2021 and for some years

1008
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,839
mullenbimby has been known as the

1009
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,480
anti-vaxx capital of australia

1010
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,000
but this item says occult gems

1011
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,240
despite the advancements of civilization

1012
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,319
and the high standard of 20th century

1013
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,599
education

1014
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,680
it is surprising what a number of people

1015
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:53,520
still place their faith in

1016
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,359
the influences of certain stones dates

1017
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,400
and mascots and hold firm to old

1018
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:02,480
superstitions whose origin

1019
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,079
is lost in bygone ages in these days

1020
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:09,119
nearly everyone is in possession of a

1021
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,280
quote lucky and quote charm of some kind

1022
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,319
and place implicit confidence in

1023
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,640
the good effects produced by wearing

1024
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,240
their birthday stone

1025
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,960
or one of the many mascots supposed to

1026
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,760
guard against ill fortune of all kinds

1027
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,920
the occultists tell us that every german

1028
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,680
metal has an intimate connection with

1029
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,440
one of the planets that control the

1030
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,640
solar system

1031
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,240
of the seasons of the year and should be

1032
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,680
worn by persons born

1033
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,599
under the influence of that particular

1034
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:42,160
planet many people however

1035
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,920
wear the wrong stone as they're quote

1036
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,119
lucky end quote one simply because

1037
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,680
they choose it according to the calendar

1038
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:52,480
month

1039
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:58,880
is the correct list showing the sign

1040
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,240
and stone appropriate for persons born

1041
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,880
or within certain dates throughout the

1042
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,160
year

1043
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,280
stone garnet sardiacal sign

1044
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,319
aquarius dates january 21 to february

1045
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:13,599
18.

1046
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:18,480
amethyst pisces february 19 to march 20.

1047
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:23,280
bloodstone aries march 21 to april 20.

1048
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:27,760
sapphire taurus april 21 to may 21

1049
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:32,160
emerald gemini may 22 to june 21

1050
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:36,480
arget cancer june 22 to july 23

1051
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:41,119
ruby leo july 24 to august 23

1052
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,079
sardonyx virgo august 24 to september 23

1053
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,359
chrysolite libra september 24 to october

1054
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:50,560
23

1055
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,760
opel scorpio october 24 to november 22

1056
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,800
topaz sagittarius november 23 to

1057
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:00,319
december 22

1058
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,240
turquoise capricornias december 23

1059
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,599
to january 20. the garnet if

1060
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:09,920
rightly worn is said to impart

1061
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,839
confidence

1062
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,680
cheerfulness and consistency to its

1063
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,640
wearer

1064
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,680
amethyst strengthens the willpower gives

1065
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:18,640
peace of mind

1066
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:22,000
and cures in temperance bloodstone

1067
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,720
promotes

1068
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,680
courage and wisdom sapphire protects

1069
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,760
against disease and gives warning of

1070
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,720
danger

1071
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,680
emerald gives faith friendship and

1072
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:33,440
domestic felicity

1073
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,680
agnet ensures good health and prosperity

1074
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,560
ruby is a symbol of power guards against

1075
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:41,920
false friends and has

1076
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,119
a bracing effect on the wearer so donex

1077
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,280
is favourable to marriage

1078
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,319
but like the opal is a very unlucky

1079
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,440
stone to anyone born out of its quote

1080
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,720
zodiacal sign then quote

1081
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:59,359
chrysolite is a stone of hope and

1082
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,160
comfort

1083
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,359
and gives courage in adversity opal

1084
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,640
combines the virtues of all stones whose

1085
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,560
colors it reflects

1086
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,760
but if wrongly worn it is fatal to love

1087
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:12,800
and friendship

1088
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:16,800
topaz protects against perils by water

1089
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,920
ensures fidelity and love and brightens

1090
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,359
the intellect

1091
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,760
and turquoise is a very lucky stone

1092
00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:25,680
promoting success love

1093
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:27,600
and happiness

1094
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,589
and on that hopeful note we will leave

1095
00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:37,440
our search for this week

1096
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,349
[Music]

1097
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,760
but i will admit i was expecting more in

1098
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,839
the way of

1099
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,160
devil worship that sort of thing when i

1100
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,680
think of the word occult that sort of

1101
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:55,760
springs to mind

1102
00:45:03,349 --> 00:44:59,599
but i see the meaning is a lot more

1103
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,359
broad or vague than than that

1104
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,040
and it's interesting to discover that

1105
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,880
reference to sir arthur conan doyle

1106
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:08,640
maybe that should be

1107
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,079
a trove segment all in itself i think

1108
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,560
the adventures in spiritualism of sir

1109
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,000
arthur conan doyle

1110
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,720
and of course the codingsley fairies but

1111
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:19,680
that's a trove

1112
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:20,940
for another time

1113
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,040
[Music]

1114
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,880
and don't forget you too can enjoy a

1115
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,640
trip into the trove of digitized

1116
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:30,240
newspapers and so on

1117
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:35,440
just by visiting trove.nla.gov

1118
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:47,750
dot a u

1119
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,870
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1120
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,480
zone now as i said at the top of the

1121
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,599
show we have

1122
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,520
an announcement of an upcoming talk in

1123
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,040
fact it's monday

1124
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:10,079
so very soon monday the 14th of june at

1125
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:11,119
6 p.m

1126
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,280
if you're confused or can't quite work

1127
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,480
that one out just google time in

1128
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,880
canberra that should give you a clue the

1129
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:24,720
canberra skeptics present

1130
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,720
dr lynn kelly this is a zoom meeting

1131
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,880
and i've known lynn for many many years

1132
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,160
she's uh

1133
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:35,040
a brilliant cold reader but her latest

1134
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,599
interests

1135
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,560
involve as the blurb says indigenous

1136
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,599
cultures

1137
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,760
are usually represented as living in a

1138
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,200
fog of superstition

1139
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,280
but they needed a vast amount of

1140
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,880
pragmatic knowledge

1141
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,520
to survive both physically and

1142
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:50,720
culturally

1143
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,920
they had no writing so how the hell did

1144
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,560
they memorize so much stuff in this

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talk lin will explain the tricks of

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their memory

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trade and those of european and asian

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cultures

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up to recent times the big question is

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how can we use these methods in

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contemporary society

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there are significant implications for

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education aging

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and the interpretation of ancient

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monuments

1156
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,359
this promises to be an absolutely

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fascinating talk

1158
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and you can get more information by

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going to

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canberraskeptics.org

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and on facebook just look for canberra

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skeptics

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but for this week this is richard

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saunders signing off

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you've been listening to the skeptic

1166
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:45,839
zone podcast

1167
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:49,079
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00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,400
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00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,520
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1170
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:55,520
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00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,040
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00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:01,119
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00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,559
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1174
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,079
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00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:09,520
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1176
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:12,720
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00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,440
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1179
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:18,160
and opinions expressed on the skeptic

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00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,559
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are not necessarily those of australian

1182
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:22,480
skeptics or any other

1183
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,230
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1184
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,720
zone so i hope you guys all bite along

1185
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,359
with us and use your psychic powers

1186
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,599
to predict the numbers i always pick

1187
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,480
five my

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i might i i'm gonna get five five five

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eventually so

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it's all yours richard thanks susan and

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00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:56,000
hello everybody great to see you here

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00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,200
for the trivia

1193
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the one year anniversary which is pretty

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important this is the part of the show

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folks

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those people who listen after the music

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00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,559
and will know if you've never heard

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the show after music this is where

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occasionally we roll

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this is i'll say that again this is

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00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:11,839
where we occasionally roll

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00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:14,960
a die 6 10 20

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00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,559
30 whatever today it's a d20

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00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,000
and i'm just holding that up so

1205
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,400
everybody can see i'm going to roll this

1206
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,520
three times

1207
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,839
and i want to use you to use your

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00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:27,440
special magic predicting

1209
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,880
psychic powers or luck to predict what

1210
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,920
number is going to come

1211
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,920
up from 1 to 20. i'm going to tilt the

1212
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:36,880
camera down so you can see my dice

1213
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,920
contraption which is there

1214
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,160
so here comes the first roll shout out

1215
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,400
something everybody what number five

1216
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:47,520
four nineteen eighteen

1217
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,960
twelve one put it in the chat you guys

1218
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:53,040
eleven put it in the chat yeah well

1219
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:54,319
they're all putting it in the chat on

1220
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:55,680
the side there so they can't change

1221
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,480
their mind

1222
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i'm gonna roll it in five seconds so

1223
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five four

1224
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it's a seven

1225
00:50:10,839 --> 00:50:21,190
oh

1226
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,349
next number coming up so make your

1227
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:25,839
predictions i'm going to roll in

1228
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,800
fourteen five seconds again lucky number

1229
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:29,839
thirteen five

1230
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:33,119
five four three six

1231
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:40,240
two hurry up you guys one here it comes

1232
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,510
and the last did anybody get 11. let me

1233
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,520
see

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00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,040
last number coming up so make your

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00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,280
predictions now

1236
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,800
and all you people listening on the

1237
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:57,040
podcast use your magical psychic powers

1238
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or whatever

1239
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,920
people keep guessing five they think i

1240
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:01,680
guess i know something but they don't

1241
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,119
here it comes five four three two

1242
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:08,800
one and the last number is

1243
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,309
so close i know so

1244
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:18,640
wait it looks like 11. it looks like a

1245
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,000
little from a distance

1246
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,119
today's winning numbers oh gail got 17.

1247
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:25,040
some people got it today's winning

1248
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,160
numbers for you at home

1249
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:28,800
seven eleven and seventeen thank you to

1250
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:29,599
the championships

1251
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:32,880
more than one of them right nobody

1252
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,230
all of these people only one person got

1253
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,359
one right once

1254
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,400
all right just for you we'll do it we do

1255
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,079
got one we'll do a supplementary you've

1256
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,319
got one more chance here we go okay okay

1257
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:53,440
hurry put your again here it comes

1258
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,480
eight again five five five five

1259
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:58,480
susan just hopes for a five here it

1260
00:52:04,870 --> 00:51:59,839
comes in five

1261
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:04,880
four three two one

1262
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,910
well look there's a five near it i

1263
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:13,760
predicted the number on the bridge i got

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13.